INTERVIEW WITH JOHN WHITLEY
And, Jim, just as a treat for you and your listeners, I just found the AP press release that we were talking about earlier. I'll just read part of it very quickly. This is about the Davos meeting.
"The world's elite meet in Geneva to wheel, deal and have fun," is the headline. Alexander G. Higgins of the Associated Press, the 29th of January, 1997.
Quinn: "To wheel, deal and have fun"? [laughs]
Whitley: Yeah, "Geneva, Switzerland. Many of the world's power-brokers and power-seekers will wind their way up a narrow, avalanche-prone Alpine valley in the remote eastern resort of Davos, Switzerland, this week for six days of deal-making, deep thinking, and fun. Headliners at this year's economic forum [which is the follow-up to the Bilderberg meeting] which will open tomorrow include Bill Gates, U.S. House Speaker Newt Gringrich, top Russians and, as usual, key players from the Middle East. The group of Illuminati, including top scientists and experts...will have their pick of a bewildering array of meetings, discussions and dinners, many of them held simultaneously." You know, as I do, that the Illuminati is the group that's been behind this for a couple of centuries at least, now. Now it's the push for world government.
The proposed states of the New World Order:-
........... they're pushing for three regional governments and for the military anchoring of those...
Quinn: The military anchoring of three regional governments?
Whitley: Yes. The whole idea is that you divide the world up into three governmental zones, and each one will have an enforcement army; and then you merge those government zones into one, and you merge those three armies into one. In essence, you get a three-fold world state. And this has been the long-term plan of the Trilateral Commission, which is how it got its name. They're going along three lines, trilateral, to one World State. And, of course, you've got the Asian Union, the European Union, and coming into existence now, first announced at Davos, privately, is the American Union. Now we did publicly announce this one week after Davos finished, from our own sources. We went on the Internet and in our own Newsletter and we said that it was agreed that there would be a fast-tracking of NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement, plus SAFTA, the South American Free Trade Agreement, for a full union by the year 2003, even if just the structure was in place. And that Newt Gringrich would be backing this and that Bill Clinton will be announcing it. A month and a half after Davos, Clinton announced this. So either this was a plan - part of a global plan - or we got very lucky. [laughs] But we seem to get very lucky most of the time, so obviously there is a plan there.
And more on national sovereignty:-
That was the first thing they talked about. The second thing that was a major item for them was an increased role for the U.N., and they're really pushing for a big environmental scare from this point on, centered around global warming. A lot of scientists, a lot of articles, a lot of TV programs, all telling us that the earth is in terrible straits and this needs international attention. National governments can do nothing about it. In fact, national sovereignty will get in the way.
Quinn: [sardonically] So we've got to get rid of national sovereignty, otherwise the earth's going to burn up.
and more:-
Quinn: Sure, and with these Heritage Zones that are being created in this country that are under U.N. control, you can start to determine the type of land use by mandate.
Whitley: Exactly.
Quinn: I mean, you can move people around, move people off property that you say is environmentally threatened. There'll be areas defined where humans can live, where there is limited use, and where there is no human use allowed.
Whitley: Well, I'm sure that a lot of your listeners are going to be very upset with hearing this, but virtually the entire environmental movement is funded by these huge corporations that are governed or financed or owned by these elitists, and one of the key things - in fact, a couple of key things - that the environmental movement is aimed at doing is firstly providing a cloak under which you can bring in this kind of social control. You couldn't say to people, "We're going to control you", but if you say, "We're going to save the environment by limiting what you can do", people will accept that. And the second thing, of course, is it keeps resources like additional oil, like coal, like whatever it might be that's in the ground off the market and keeps the prices high. So, from both ends, they win with this.
On the promotion of a new world religion:-
Quinn: Well, yeah, it doesn't matter what religion you are, whether you are Islamic, a Jew, a Catholic or a Protestant, they all share some things in common. You don't murder other people-
Whitley: Exactly.
Whitley: ...you don't steal what they have, you don't trespass on their land. There are just some basic principles which all religions share. You're right. It was James Madison, and I paraphrase, but it's one of my favorite things that he said. He said: Men are not angels, which is why they need government. But men can be more like angels, the more they obey the unwritten laws, the less laws will be written for them. The more they ignore the unwritten laws, the more laws will be written for them. Judging from the body of laws that we have in this country, I'd say that we haven't done much in obeying the unwritten laws, have we?
Whitley: That's right, you know, which goes back to the Bilderbergers because, as they've been pushing things like the environmental movement, what they're also pushing as a consequence is an earth-based religion, Gaiaism. You know, Gaia is "Mother Earth" and so forth, the goddess Earth. What we're seeing more and more is that this is percolating into established churches. It's getting big press in the media, and so forth, and essentially what is happening is the merger of this kind of belief with the New Age movement, and we've got a new world religion, in essence, a-borning, which is centered on the earth and on the spiritual potentiality of man himself. Merge those two together, you've got the perfect means of controlling people religiously.
and more:-
Whitley: By the way, good-bye U.S. Constitution. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are one big stumbling block for these people. You can see how....now, the Second Amendment, for example: we've got the official U.S. government definition that this is with regard to state militias. It has nothing to do with individual rights to keep and bear arms.So, whichever way they can come at this, they're coming at it.
Quinn: The official - by the way, where does the freakin' bureaucracy get off defining our Constitution for us?
Whitley: Well, they've replaced God. It's a secular society. People need their God and the bureaucracy has decided to take the job.
Quinn: Well, that's true. If you force enough religion and faith-based beliefs out of society into the darkest corners of society and behind closed church doors, basically what you've done is you've created a vacuum.
Whitley: Exactly.
Quinn: And in that vacuum, of course, the civilization begins to decay and so we need some rules, don't we? And those rules will be defined, of course, by the government and there will be a morality du jour.
On economic rationalisation and unemployment:-
Whitley: Yeah, they're scared stiff with regard to that. They were pushing before for deficit reduction, and debt reduction, around the world, because that was getting out of control. But there's been a world-wide backlash, particularly evident recently in Europe, where the jobless are beginning to kick back against downsizing, globalization, and everything else. And they recognize if this goes much further, globalization will be stalled. They've got to have the consent of the masses and they've got to manufacture that consent. Now the masses are resisting, so they're pushing for more jobs, even if they're not the greatest jobs in the world. But one key thing, they're also pushing for volunteerism. That's why you're seeing this kind of stuff being touted. You're getting people like Colin Powell, who is a CFR member, dressed up in cute little tee-shirts [laughs], you know, and running these kinds of volunteerism conferences. Why? Because if you can't provide a paid job, [then] get people to volunteer and then do what is already now being suggested in Britain, [and] pay them a "citizen's wage". Make them dependents of the government, but give them something to do.
On the promotion of terrorism:-
Whitley: They're maneuvering, of course, to make Islam a big terrorist threat. Islam is something that they've penetrated. Many of the leaders like Khomeini [paid a stipend by the CIA during his "exile" in Paris] were actually CIA-financed and front men. So, you know, it's something they've really been maneuvering to bring into the gap that the Soviet Union has kind of left empty. Plus they need increased terrorism to bring in their recommendations on global governance, which will essentially take our freedom away in exchange for giving us "guaranteed security". in their own words. For that, you need increased terrorism and that is equivalent to "terrorist Islam".
One other aspect, though, of that which they discussed is the situation in Turkey. The Turkish government was Islamic, as we predicted it would be after the last Bilderberg meeting. Four days after that meeting ended we said that, as we did before, that there would be an Islamic government. The [existing] government fell, and an Islamic government came into power. Now the army has just chased it off the scene. The Turkish army's fiercely secular, but it's likely with an election they'll [the Islamicists] be back even more powerfully. And then watch Turkey! Turkey will be positioned perfectly to back the Muslims in the coming Bosnian war, which Albright is now, and as we predicted last year, about to set off because she's after those Bosnian war criminals and the Serbian war criminals, too. So, basically, what will happen is that you're going to get a conflict in that area and of course Islam will be embroiled in that via Turkey, apart from Islamic terrorism, also.
On Bill Clinton:-
Quinn: In 1991 I think, at that time, this guy was making about $35,000 a year as governor of one of the dirt-poor states in America, Arkansas, practically a third-world country. What in the world would all these movers and shakers of the world be doing with this, basically the trailer park trash of politics, and since it is apparent now that Mr. Clinton's appearance at that meeting had something to do with this group blessing him - could this be behind the fact that nothing ever sticks to this guy, no matter what he does?
Whitley: That's right, Jim. What basically happened was...well, first of all Clinton is a member of the Bilderbergers, although he doesn't go to the meetings now. He always sends a representative, Stephanopoulos [to the 1996 Toronto meeting]. David Gergen went to the Trilateral Commission meeting [on Clinton's behalf] - he's a member of the Trilateral Commission, too. And Hillary Clinton. of course, opened this particular [Bilderberger] meeting in Georgia on his behalf, so he's always represented. He's a Bilderberger, a Trilateralist, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He's an utter globalist. You've got a man running the United States who has no commitment to the United States, Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, whose complete goal is globalism.
Quinn: Oh, there's no question about it! John, I read a quote yesterday where Bill Clinton called the Bill of Rights a radical document that offered too much freedom, that we need to move now to curtail freedom because it was being abused.
On the media:-
Whitley: Well, Jim, you know, you can't get anywhere in U.S. military life, at the very top of the military structure, the top of the political structure, the people who are publishers and key editors, and even foreign affairs journalists and so forth of the major newspapers, and correspondents for 60 Minutes, all of these people, together with the key people in the CFR in the State Department and so forth, are members of the CFR. So these are the people who, when they get together, they don't get together with the local members in Chicago. They get together with each other and they read the CFR's bimonthly and sometimes more frequent magazine, Foreign Affairs. They basically follow the CFR line in whatever they do. So the American military, the American government, the American press are being run by CFR insiders, and that's the reality. If we're talking about a parallel government, that's what the CFR has been called.
The CIA and the drug trade:-
Whitley: You also have to recognize that people like George Bush, for example, who was himself a member of these groups, headed the CIA. So their people are always put in key positions, so, um - the CIA is not working for the United States. I mean, the CIA is an instrument of globalism, too. The whole thrust of this kind of thing is that if you get hold of an organization that has an impact around the world, then you either start it, you commandeer it, or you put your own people in charge and alter its direction to support this. So certainly you're not going to have a CIA that's pushing and defending American sovereignty when its political masters are pushing for globalism, so, Yes, it's being partly funded by drug money. Another thing, of course, is that undermines our inner cities, it undermines the standards and caliber of the American people, and it does a great deal of damage, and that's exactly what they need to happen before America can be subsumed into the New World Order.
Quinn: Oh, yeah. I mean, if America's got to fall apart so that the average citizen says, "Well, I'll give up my freedom if you can just fix this."
Whitley: Exactly. That's exactly it in a nutshell.